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Philippine politics task force

Is there any plan to use these categories? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:37, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

MSGJ I believe they were intended to be filled by Template:WikiProject Tambayan Philippines when the |politics=yes parameter is included, like Category:Philippine History articles by quality used to work, but the functionality for both has clearly broken. CMD (talk) 12:57, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

I have updated the template, so they should start getting used now — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:28, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Philippine-related Requested Sections

Last year, I started a discussion suggesting that we should have a page to compile requests to add to or expand existing articles outside of Tambayan PH's scope with sections or subsections that explain them in the Philippine context. For example, the article on Jaywalking and Michigan left each have a section explaining their topics in the PH context.

To compile these requests, based on @Lenticel's suggestion, I've created it as a user page, which has been linked to in Wikipedia:Tambayan Philippines/Requests. Feel free to add and do any requests there (with explanation), and check in from time to time for any requests you'd like to help out with! Ganmatthew (talk • contribs) 14:34, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

See my latest edition to Lethal injection. Borgenland (talk) 14:16, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Can I include articles with Philippine sections that need expansion to the requests? For example, Christmas music#Philippines needs expansion and maybe some more sources. D-Flo27 (talk) 14:19, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

That's actually the main purpose of this—to expand Philippine sections on non-Tambayan articles. AstrooKai (Talk) 14:32, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

User:Naniwoofg

Naniwoofg (talk · contribs) has been making problematic "update of images" in several articles. The Taft Avenue image problem is just the tip of the iceberg; the user's talk page shows numerous messages regarding their problematic edits, many of the messages were from me. One example is their insistence on this image (claiming it as updated image of Quezon Memorial Shrine), even if the image does not properly show the sculpture as the fireworks obfuscate it and distract the intended subject of the image. They were also involved in changing Kalaw Avenue image twice (to the images that are inferior to the currently-used infobox image).

With numerous issues on images involved by this user, is it ripe to sanction this user? I'll leave the reporting of this user to WP:ANI to other users, but I hope this discussion serves as the start of multiple discussions concerning the problematic behavior of this user. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 16:07, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

It seems that they have published problematic edits for several months now. I checked their contributions and saw that they had dozens of reverted edits. Most were edits that replaced images with new "good" or "high" quality images. Now, I can't check them all since they amount to more than 50 revisions, but judging by how many notices there were on their talk page, I'm a bit surprised that this user is not sanctioned yet despite this. AstrooKai (Talk) 16:32, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

This user seems to put recency at a premium. As with the Quezon Memorial Shrine example above, I've reverted his edit on Senate of the Philippines, as the photo, while still far away, may still violate FOP, and for chamber articles, the indoor photo is preferred. The indoor photo is older than most kids, but it hasn't changed from the current one, unlike the House, so it still is "recent". Howard the Duck (talk) 23:28, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Also to add, the user was involved in some attempts to use Commons images of Philippine monuments in which the monuments themselves are incidental or trivial, while at the same time removing the fair use images of the monuments (therefore risking the activation of a 1-week countdown to deletion by bots). The user does not seem to understand the reason why local and lesser quality images of such public monuments are needed, considering the Philippine law (RA 8293) not granting Freedom of Panorama of any sort for any public objects still under copyright. Example: this one concerning the Statue of the Sentinel of Freedom. _ JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 16:16, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

I've yet reverted one more unconstructive edit by Naniwoofg. Naniwoofg apparently doesn't understand the absence of Freedom of Panorama in the Philippines. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 18:37, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

The user has not engaged outside of edit summaries and has inconsistent implicit rationale for their image updates. What I observe is they often, but not always, insist on using higher resolution images even if the image is subjectively inferior, content/context wiseHariboneagle927 (talk) 06:34, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

List of natural parks of the Philippines

I have created the List of natural parks of the Philippines article, patterned on the existing List of national parks of the Philippines article. The article needs improvement and expansion. Some of the listed items wikilink to existing articles on individual parks, some wikilink to redirects targeting related articles and some are redlinks. I will be creating redirects for the redlinks. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 00:02, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Relatedly, it appears the Commons categories for these could use a lot of work. CMD (talk) 14:51, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Communist Party of the Philippines

Dear all, a deletionist editor recently deleted a sizeable chunk of the Communist Party of the Philippines article due to lack of sources. I have restored said chunk and will slowly add references. However,I have a very short leave and many obligations to tend to before returning to my work duties. Plus, I am not an expert. The article has been very problematic for a very long time. So I am inviting everybody to work on it. Help very needed. Yours,MistahPeemayer (talk) 04:55, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Aglipayan Church infobox format

Could someone check the Aglipayan Church talk page for feedback on the odd infobox format?Hariboneagle927 (talk) 06:31, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Iglesia ni Cristo too. Hariboneagle927 (talk) 06:54, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Sam Verzosa

I know this person is very controversial but I believe that there has been WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS synthesis going on here by the mention of the controversy regarding the award this person was given. I need feedback on this. Thanks! Hariboneagle927 (talk) 07:08, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Definitely POV. I dare whoever put it there to place it on everyone awarded, which at some point if I remember correctly includes Jackie Chan and Kgalema Motlanthe. Borgenland (talk) 08:47, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

I replied to this issue at Talk:Sam Verzosa earlier. Literally, why add something to a person's BLP if it doesn't even directly concern them at all? AstrooKai (Talk) 08:51, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

I WP:BOLD reverted the paragraph. Seeing their edit summaries I would have hauled them to ANI for WP:SHOUTING had I learned of it earlier. Borgenland (talk) 13:56, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

I was not aware it's possible. But the edit warring stopped as soon as the other user became aware of my attempts to get them on their user talk page. Hariboneagle927 (talk) 14:09, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

I took a quick look at this at an earlier point I'm not familiar with either Sam Verzosa or Barry Gusi, but I gather that WP:PUBLIC applies in both cases. The controversy is mentioned in Gusi Peace Prize § Controversy and perhaps elsewhere (e.g., here). It struck me that the mentions I saw did not include this possibly significant part of the story and that omission seems not NPOV. I have no idea whether there is more on this in RSs. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 23:19, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Still I do not see the undue mention of the controversy on Verzosa's page, granted that the GMA News article was before Verzosa was awarded a prize. And even then, it appears that the founder does inflate his award (Gusi being the Asian equivalent to Nobel Peace Prize when the consensus is its the Magsaysay Award and that his counter-argument is that he is an honorary ambassador designated from the Northern Mariana Islands side and not the DFA. The same GMA article does not disparage or call into attention if the recipients "deserved" their award (which includes Fidel Ramos, Lea Salonga, Jose Mari Chan, Gaudencio Cardinal Rosales) except those who refused to attend ". Again, I'm not fond of Verzosa but this I believe this is an attempt to paint him in a negative light when no WP:RS have made the negative connection between the Gusi award and Verzosa. The controversy solely lies on Barry Gusi's ambassador statusHariboneagle927 (talk) 02:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

This Gusi Peace Prize has been trying to get itself relevant for decades. Even Pacquiao thought it was unimportant. We can perhaps mention Versoza was awarded, but unless he or someone else says something about his award on the campaign later on, the version stating he won should be fine. Howard the Duck (talk) 23:25, 31 December 2024 (UTC)